Numerous Problems With ICR’s Rate Books
The ICR Accelerated Decay Model
Page |
Subject |
Author |
3 |
Where
did all the heat go? |
Larry
Vardiman |
|
What
about life on earth during the accelerated decay? |
|
8 |
Where
did all the heat go? |
Larry
Vardiman |
|
What
about life on earth during the accelerated decay? |
|
|
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
|
19 |
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
Larry
Vardiman |
43 |
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
Donald
DeYoung |
333 |
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
Russell
Humphreys |
334 |
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
Russell
Humphreys |
340 |
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
Russell
Humphreys |
341 |
God's
method of creating on days 1 and 2 of the creation week. |
Russell
Humphreys |
351 |
BIBLE.
Deuteronomy 32:22 |
Russell
Humphreys |
352 |
BIBLE.
Numbers 16:30-33 |
Russell
Humphreys |
|
BIBLE.
Amos 9:2 |
|
353 |
BIBLE.
2 Samuel 22:8-9 |
Russell
Humphreys |
|
BIBLE.
2 Samuel 22:8-9 |
|
|
BIBLE.
Habakkuk 3:8-15 |
|
356 |
Why
would God change decay rates? |
Russell
Humphreys |
http://www.icr.org/i/pdf/research/rate-all.pdf
ICR proposes accelerated radioactive decay for 14Carbon in living
organisms but not 14Carbon in diamonds. Some magic affected one 100%
and the other 0 at the same time. The same would be true of coal and fossils
containing 14Carbon.
(http://www.creationicc.org/icc18_abstracts.php)
Excel File |
Category |
Number of Dates |
Over 4.6 Billion Years |
12,918 |
|
Over 10 Billion Years |
1,850 |
|
Negative Dates |
2,566 |
|
Over 5 Billion Years |
7,421 |
|
Over 13 Billion Years |
1,234 |
|
All |
15,486 |
|
|
|
|
Dating Method |
Excel File |
Number of Dates |
Argon/Argon |
776 |
|
Potassium/Argon |
59 |
|
Lutetium/Hafnium |
47 |
|
Osmium/Osmium |
1,795 |
|
Lead/Lead |
8,449 |
|
Rubidium/Strontium |
380 |
|
Rhenium/Osmium |
641 |
|
Samarium/Neodymium |
93 |
|
Thorium/Lead |
1,551 |
|
Uranium/Helium |
7 |
|
Uranium 235 |
359 |
|
Uranium238 |
1,336 |
14Carbon
in living organisms are affected 100%
“Were there radioactive
atoms in the tissues of creatures aboard the ark? The main ones are 40K
and 14C. If creatures aboard the ark had the same percentages of
those isotopes we have in our tissues today, and the acceleration applies to
them as well as to everything else, they might not have survived.” ICR RATE
book, Page 373. See also
http://creation.com/c14-dinos.
14Carbon
in diamonds are totally unaffected
“After
two half-lives, a quarter is left; after three half-lives, only an eighth; after
10 half-lives, less than a thousandth is left. In fact, a lump of 14C
as massive as the earth would have all decayed in less than a million years.”
http://creation.com/diamonds-a-creationists-best-friend.
Sarfati claims that only one million years of decay would be needed to get rid
of 14Carbon in diamonds. CMI and ICR then propose 4,500 million years
of accelerated decay
[http://creation.com/radiometric-dating-and-old-ages-in-disarray]
has happened and only one million
is needed to get rid of 14Carbon in diamonds!
ICR RATE book, Page 340. Russell Humphreys
claims that decay rates must have been 750,000 times faster in the past. If we
look at Riley’s article [Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, 1970, 34:713-725]
we see that isotopic data can give
calculated ages of 900 billion years old. This would mean that that decay
rates must have been 150 million times faster in the past.
If we put isotope ratio tables from
journal articles into Microsoft Excel 2007 and use Isoplot [http://www.bgc.org/isoplot]
we can get hundreds of dates over 100
billion years old.
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/geology.html
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/Dating.html
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/geology_column.html
A=Pb76(207Pb/206Pb)
206Pb/238U
Age (Million Years)
2
A=Pb6U8(206Pb/238U)
207Pb/235U
Age (Million Years)
3
A=Pb7U5(207Pb/235U)
208Pb/232Th
Age (Million Years)
4
A=Pb8Th2(208Pb/232Th)
A=Th230Age(230Th/20U, 234U/238U)
Category |
|
Argon/Argon |
|
Lead/Lead |
|
Lutetium |
|
Main_Index |
|
Negative_Dates |
|
Older_Than_Earth |
|
Older_Than_Galaxy |
|
Older_Than_Universe |
|
Potasssium |
|
Rhenium |
|
Rubidium |
|
Samarium |
|
Thorium_232 |
|
Uranium_235 |
|
Uranium_238 |
"This plasma [600 Million Centigrade] persists for several hours on the First
Day of creation week, during which time beta decay freely takes place under the
bare-nucleus conditions of all of the atoms."
http://creation.com/billion-fold-acceleration-of-radioactivity-demonstrated-in-laboratory
The Bible says that on day one of the creation
week the Earth was in darkness. At 600 million degrees Kelvin the Earth’s
surface would not be in darkness.
The Sun
radiance is
20,090,000 Watts/Square meter. Its surface temperature is 5,772 Kelvin.
If Earth’s
temperature were at 600 million degrees Kelvin on day one of the creation week
it would be 103,950 times hotter than the surface of the Sun. Its radiance is
would be 103,950 x
20,090,000 = 2 x 1012 Watts/Square meter.
http://creation.com/radiometric-dating-breakthroughs
When physicist Dr Russell
Humphreys was still at Sandia National Laboratories (he now works full-time for
ICR), he and Dr John Baumgardner (still with Los Alamos National Laboratory)
were both convinced that they knew the direction in which to look for a
definitive answer to the puzzle of why radiometric dating consistently
[RUBBISH!] gives ages of
millions and billions of years.
(1) the initial isotope amounts
are known, (2) the decay rate has remained constant at today’s rate, and (3) the
sample has remained in a closed system for millions and billions of years. The
RATE group concludes that there was about 4 Ga of accelerated decay
[RUBBISH!] at creation and
about 500 Ma [RUBBISH!] worth
at the time of the Flood.
Another nonsense quote! If 6 days
[Exodus 20:8-11] corresponds to 4,000 million years of accelerated 207Pb/235U
decay as CMI says, how can 206Pb/238U ratios give an age of 6,000 million years?
Was the creation week 50% longer [Nine days long] in other parts of the world?
208Pb/232Th ratios give ages of 70,000 million years. Was the creation week
1750% longer [105 days long] in other parts of the world? The RATE team’s
theories do not work and are rubbish. How can radiometric decay be happening at
three different ways the same time? 207Pb/235U = 100%, 206Pb/238U = 150% and
208Pb/232Th = 1750%
If we use the computer program Isoplot [http://www.bgc.org/isoplot]
and calculate the ages of the isotopic ratios in geology magazine articles we
see why not dates have been put beside them. Many dates are negative or older
than the evolutionary age of the universe. That is logically impossible. How can
the rock have formed millions of years in the future? The dating methods
contradict each other and give ages that disagree with the Geological Column and
with accelerated decay.
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Number |
Essay Title |
Adobe Acrobat File |
Pages |
1 |
Argon/Argon Dating |
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2 |
Future Radiometric Dating |
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3 |
Impossible Radiometric Dates |
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4 |
Concordia Isochron Dating |
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5 |
Meteorite Dating |
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6 |
Modern Dating Methods |
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7 |
Negative Radiometric Dating |
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8 |
The Neodymium Samarium Method |
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9 |
Rocks Older Than The Galaxy |
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10 |
Rocks Older Than The Solar System |
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11 |
Rocks Older Than The Earth |
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12 |
Rocks Older Than The Universe |
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13 |
The Osmium 187/186 Method |
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14 |
The Potassium Argon Method |
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15 |
The Rubidium Strontium Method |
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16 |
The Rhenium/Osmium Method |
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17 |
Rubidium/Strontium Dating |
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18 |
The Thorium Lead Method |
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19 |
The Uranium 235 Method |
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20 |
The Uranium 238 Method |
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21 |
Very Old Rocks |
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22 |
Radiometric Dating Versus The Bible |
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23 |
The Mythology Of Modern Dating |
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24 |
Pauls Book |
296 |
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25 |
MAIN INDEX (Microsoft Excel) |
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26 |
Use Isoplot Version 4.13 To Excel |
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Total Pages |
296 |
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/Dating.html
5.
Thorium/Lead Ratios giving ages over 10 billion years old
If we use the computer program Isoplot [http://www.bgc.org/isoplot]
and calculate the ages of the isotopic ratios in geology magazine articles we
see why not dates have been put beside them. Many dates are negative or older
than the age of the universe. That is logically impossible. How can the rock
have formed millions of years in the future? The dating methods contradict each
other and give ages that disagree with the Geological Column and with
accelerated decay.
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/Dating.html
Thorium_232 |
1 |
Chemical Geology, Volume 200, 2003, Pages 71–87 |
2 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 105, 1991, Pages 154 |
3 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 134, 1995, Pages 169 |
4 |
Earth Planetary Science Letters, Volume 82, 1987, Pages 121–135 |
5 |
Geochemistry Geophysics Geosystems, Volume 4, 2003, Page 1089 |
6 |
Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, Volume 57, 1993, Pages 4687 |
7 |
Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, Volume 71, 2007, Pages 1290–1311 |
8 |
Geological Society of London, Volume 229, 2004, Pages 139 |
9 |
Geosphere, Volume 6, 2010, Pages 663-690 |
10 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 38, 1997, Pages 115
|
11 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 38, 1997, Pages 124 |
12 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 39, 1998, Pages 711 |
13 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 40, 1999, Pages 1399 |
14 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 45, 2004, Pages 556 |
15 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 46, 2005, Pages 830 |
16 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 48, 2007, Pages 667 |
17 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 51, 2010, Pages 2005 |
18 |
Journal Petrology, Volume 34, 1993, Pages 125–172 |
19 |
Meteoritics & Planetary Science, Volume 39, 2004, Pages 2033 |
20 |
Nature Geoscience, Volume 4, 2011, Pages 883-887 |
21 |
Nature, Volume 485, 2012, Pages 627–630 |
6.
Uranium/Lead Ratios giving ages between 5 billion to 57 billion years old
If we use the computer program Isoplot [http://www.bgc.org/isoplot]
and calculate the ages of the isotopic ratios in geology magazine articles we
see why not dates have been put beside them. Many dates are negative or older
than the age of the universe. That is logically impossible. How can the rock
have formed millions of years in the future? The dating methods contradict each
other and give ages that disagree with the Geological Column and with
accelerated decay.
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/geology.html
http://www.creationismonline.com/website/Dating.html
Uranium_235 |
|
Uranium_238 |
1 |
Canadian Journal of Earth Science, Volume 43, 2006, Pages 1419 |
2 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 105, 1991, Pages 149 |
3 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 113, 1992, Pages 107 |
4 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 134, 1995, Pages 169-185 |
5 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 37, 1977, Pages 1 |
6 |
Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Volume 73, 1985, Pages 269 |
7 |
Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, Volume 57, 1993, Pages 4687-4702 |
8 |
Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, Volume 71, 2007, Pages 3656 |
9 |
Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, Volume 72, 2008, Pages 2067 |
10 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 38, 1997, Pages 115 |
11 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 39, 1998, Pages 711–748 |
12 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 41, 2000, Pages 759 |
13 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 42, 2001, Pages 731 |
14 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 45, 2004, Pages 555 |
15 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 46, 2005, Pages 829-858 |
16 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 48, 2007, Pages 661 |
17 |
Journal of Petrology, Volume 51, 2010, Pages 2003-2045 |
7. Journal
articles with negative dates or over 5 billion years old
Download
Excel file:
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/AA_Search.xlsm
Download
Excel file:
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/AA_Index.xlsm
Download
Excel file:
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/AB_Index.xlsm
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Excel file:
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/AC_Index.xlsm
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Excel file:
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/AD_Index.xlsm
Negative Dates |
|
Older Than Earth |
8. Argon/Argon Ages
Argon/Argon |
Reference |
Minimum
Age |
Maximum
Age |
Age
Difference |
Age |
Number |
106
Years |
106
Years |
106
Years |
Ratio |
1 |
1,770 |
13,960 |
12,190 |
6.89 |
2 |
162 |
9,669 |
9,507 |
58.69 |
3 |
120 |
9,710 |
9,590 |
79.92 |
4 |
1,102 |
8,058 |
6,956 |
6.31 |
5 |
3,560 |
8,900 |
5,340 |
1.50 |
6 |
94 |
14,917 |
14,823 |
157.69 |
7 |
1,871 |
7,460 |
5,589 |
2.99 |
8 |
164 |
11,250 |
11,086 |
67.60 |
9 |
42 |
7,347 |
7,305 |
173.93 |
10 |
1,700 |
22,090 |
20,390 |
11.99 |
11 |
580 |
9,840 |
9,260 |
15.97 |
12 |
324 |
17,178 |
16,854 |
52.02 |
13 |
506 |
13,348 |
12,842 |
25.38 |
14 |
633 |
8,569 |
7,936 |
12.54 |
15 |
1,115 |
9,969 |
8,854 |
7.94 |
16 |
510 |
7,100 |
6,590 |
12.92 |
17 |
3,841 |
11,421 |
7,580 |
1.97 |
18 |
7,700 |
16,300 |
8,600 |
1.12 |
19 |
651 |
18,620 |
17,969 |
27.60 |
9. Rubidium/Strontium Ages
Rubidium |
Reference |
Minimum
Age |
Maximum
Age |
Age
Difference |
Age |
Number |
106
Years |
106
Years |
106
Years |
Ratio |
31 |
3,700 |
9,300 |
5,600 |
1.51 |
32 |
1,400 |
900,000 |
898,600 |
641.86 |
33 |
1,180 |
13,700 |
12,520 |
10.61 |
34 |
3,110 |
7,330 |
4,220 |
1.36 |
35 |
-3,440 |
15,500 |
18,940 |
5.51 |
36 |
79 |
23,312 |
23,233 |
294.09 |
38 |
5,445 |
12,716 |
7,271 |
1.34 |
88 |
267 |
20,000 |
19,733 |
73.91 |
89 |
-31,071 |
76,523 |
107,594 |
3.46 |
92 |
32 |
6,874 |
6,842 |
213.81 |
97 |
-15 |
201 |
216 |
14.40 |
10. Rhenium/Osmium Ages
Rhenium |
Reference |
Minimum |
Maximum |
Difference |
Reference |
Minimum |
Maximum |
Difference |
Number |
106
Years |
106
Years |
106
Years |
Number |
106
Years |
106
Years |
106
Years |
37 |
100 |
15,600 |
15,500 |
77 |
-2,860 |
2,820 |
5,680 |
38 |
-1 |
11,000 |
11,001 |
78 |
-9,260 |
1,620 |
10,880 |
39 |
2,700 |
5,800 |
3,100 |
79 |
-111,000 |
1,500 |
112,500 |
40 |
2,655 |
6,300 |
3,645 |
80 |
-15,000,001 |
14,999,999 |
30,000,000 |
41 |
-59,500 |
25,900 |
85,400 |
81 |
-770 |
6,790 |
7,560 |
42 |
-30,000 |
40,000 |
70,000 |
82 |
-1 |
2,240 |
2,241 |
43 |
-3,700 |
38,190 |
41,890 |
83 |
-2,500 |
2,800 |
5,300 |
44 |
-9,260 |
3,200 |
12,460 |
86 |
600 |
34,600 |
34,000 |
45 |
-3,100 |
8,400 |
11,500 |
87 |
-32,000 |
34,000 |
66,000 |
46 |
-675 |
10,430 |
11,105 |
93 |
-1 |
4,000 |
4,001 |
47 |
-24,710 |
8,620 |
33,330 |
94 |
-27,744 |
3,094 |
30,838 |
48 |
150 |
15,410 |
15,260 |
95 |
-79,140 |
144,550 |
223,690 |
49 |
90 |
6,900 |
6,810 |
101 |
-3,830 |
10,620 |
14,450 |
50 |
-279,000 |
79,000 |
358,000 |
104 |
-3,830 |
10,620 |
14,450 |
51 |
2,780 |
8,380 |
5,600 |
105 |
-1 |
1,550 |
1,551 |
52 |
1,390 |
77,160 |
75,770 |
106 |
-4,300 |
9,100 |
13,400 |
53 |
-51,000 |
10,300 |
61,300 |
107 |
-1 |
4,500 |
4,501 |
54 |
-47,693 |
39,229 |
86,922 |
108 |
-10,800 |
9,700 |
20,500 |
55 |
-1 |
748 |
749 |
109 |
-14,258 |
6,994 |
21,252 |
56 |
1,980 |
7,850 |
5,870 |
110 |
-7,120 |
7,690 |
14,810 |
69 |
-8,620 |
3,220 |
11,840 |
111 |
30 |
52,250 |
52,220 |
70 |
-6,240 |
3,510 |
9,750 |
112 |
-8,600 |
40,000 |
48,600 |
72 |
-279,000 |
38,190 |
317,190 |
113 |
-11,800 |
27,500 |
39,300 |
73 |
-2,400 |
10,700 |
13,100 |
114 |
-4,040 |
8,520 |
12,560 |
74 |
-2,080 |
21,500 |
23,580 |
115 |
-1 |
1,640 |
1,641 |
75 |
-7,307 |
3,505 |
10,812 |
116 |
-11,275 |
3,426 |
14,701 |
76 |
-1 |
68,000 |
68,001 |
|
|
|
11. Other Very Long Age Dating Methods
Older Than Galaxy |
|
Older Than Universe |
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/Older_Than_Universe.xlsm |
Dating |
Reference |
Minimum
Age |
Maximum
Age |
Age
Difference |
Age |
Method |
Number |
106
Years |
106
Years |
106
Years |
Ratio |
K/Ar |
20 |
4,700 |
10,400 |
5,700 |
1.21 |
K/Ar |
21 |
5,300 |
13,000 |
7,700 |
1.45 |
K/Ar |
22 |
4,460 |
9,500 |
5,040 |
1.13 |
K/Ar |
23 |
4,200 |
7,400 |
3,200 |
0.76 |
Lu/Hf |
27 |
-3,220 |
3,870 |
7,090 |
2.20 |
Lu/Hf |
68 |
-8,800 |
-630 |
8,170 |
0.93 |
Lu/Hf |
71 |
-1,649 |
8,590 |
10,239 |
6.21 |
Lu/Hf |
86 |
-320 |
1,730 |
2,050 |
6.41 |
Lu/Hf |
92 |
-12,340 |
19,870 |
32,210 |
2.61 |
Lu/Hf |
101 |
-30 |
14,650 |
14,680 |
489.33 |
Lu/Hf |
104 |
-9,270 |
14,650 |
23,920 |
2.58 |
Nd/Sm |
38 |
-1 |
3,200 |
3,201 |
3,201.00 |
Nd/Sm |
26 |
1,070 |
12,600 |
11,530 |
10.78 |
Nd/Sm |
27 |
-800 |
9,730 |
10,530 |
13.16 |
Nd/Sm |
86 |
-2,247 |
96,661 |
98,908 |
44.02 |
Nd/Sm |
92 |
-22,420 |
8,100 |
30,520 |
1.36 |
Nd/Sm |
96 |
-659 |
1,137 |
1,796 |
2.73 |
Nd/Sm |
98 |
-2,192 |
2,013 |
4,205 |
1.92 |
Nd/Sm |
101 |
820 |
5,910 |
5,090 |
6.21 |
Nd/Sm |
104 |
490 |
5,910 |
5,420 |
11.06 |
If
accelerated decay causes long ages we would expect modern volcanic eruptions
[zero accelerated decay] would be dated at only hundreds of years old. If we
look at calculated dates in the articles or calculate dates from isotope ratio
tables we get dates millions or billions of years old. No accelerated decay
could possibly be involved.
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/History_25_To_50.xlsm
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/History_51_To_75.xlsm
http://www.creationismonline.com/ICR/Historic_Eruptions.pdf
13. Andrew
Snellings Long Ages
Snelling
devotes 180 pages of the RATE book (Volume 1, pages 123-304) to show that
radiometric dating is based on unprovable assumptions concerning the initial
composition and later contamination. If this is true, how do you know 4.5
billion years of accelerated decay has happened? How do you know that initial
composition and contamination caused the entire age? He devotes much time to
discrediting it as wrong but must also accept it as accurate to get the 4.5
billion values. He acknowledges (Volume 1, pages 140-147) that diamonds have
been dates at 5.7, 6 and 9.5 billion years old respectively and puts this down
to contamination. That could just as easily apply to any other date. How does he
differentiate between dates caused by accelerated decay and contamination? How
can he tell if half the date is one and the other half is the other? E.g., a
rock is dated a one billion years old. 500 million years could be from
contamination and the other half from accelerated decay.
Category |
|
Argon/Argon |
|
Lead/Lead |
|
Lutetium |
|
Main Index |
|
Negative Dates |
|
Older Than Earth |
|
Older Than Galaxy |
|
Older Than Universe |
|
Potassium |
|
Rhenium |
|
Rubidium |
|
Samarium |
|
Thorium_232 |
|
Uranium_235 |
|
Uranium_238 |
He has made lengthy efforts to demonstrate consistency of
radiometric dating but has left out much which differs.
Andrew Snelling, Answers In Genesis Articles
Radiometric Dates | Answers Research Journal
Download |
File Size |
Pages |
Title |
392,071 |
26 |
Potassium/Argon Dating |
|
235,385 |
16 |
Lutetium/Hafnium Dating |
|
1,288,192 |
44 |
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 1. |
|
64,203 |
|
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 1. |
|
541,319 |
58 |
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 2. |
|
51,664 |
|
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 2. |
|
575,842 |
52 |
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 3. |
|
74,758 |
|
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 3. |
|
16,525,004 |
44 |
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 4. |
|
50,046 |
|
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 4. |
|
407,252 |
30 |
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 4. |
|
48,268 |
|
Radioisotope Dating of Meteorites: 4. |
|
3,872,866 |
14 |
Radiometric Isotope Ages |
|
231,329 |
18 |
Rhenium/Osmium Dating |
|
758,167 |
12 |
Rubidium/Strontium Dating |
|
253,896 |
18 |
Neodymium/Samarium Dating |
|
422,264 |
38 |
Uranium-235 Dating |
|
490,495 |
48 |
U-Pb Dating Methods, 1. |
|
1,805,657 |
56 |
U-Pb Dating Methods, 2. |
|
1,323,766 |
38 |
U-Pb Dating Methods, 3. |