Very Old Rocks

 

By Paul Nethercott

August 2012

 

Comparison of African and Canadian Diamonds

 

Table 1

Congo

Leslie

Grizzly

Fox

Koala

Jwaneng

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

5,500

7,500

7,500

6,500

6,500

5,000

5,500

7,500

7,500

7,500

7,000

5,000

5,500

8,000

8,300

7,500

5,000

6,500

5,000

6,500

6,500

 

These samples were dated in the year 2000 1 by scientists from the University of Manchester, University College London and the University of Glasgow in Scotland. Samples were taken from Canada (Fox, Grizzly, Leslie and Koala), the Democratic Republic of Congo and from Botswana (Jwaneng). The article states that “apparent ages for most diamonds are greater than the age of the Earth.” 2 Twenty one dates in this table 2 are indeed older than the theory of evolution would allow. Fourteen are over six billion years old. The article admits that many dates are meaningless: all apparent ages are higher than the host kimberlite eruption ages and most are higher than the 4.5 Ga geochron.3

 

Standard evolutionist geology views the Earth as being 4.5 billion years old. Here are some quotes from popular text: “The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years.” 4 “The Solar System, formed between 4.53 and 4.58 billion years ago.” 5 “The age of 4.54 billion years found for the Solar System and Earth.” 5 A valid age for the Earth of 4.55 billion years.” 6, 7

 

 

Laser Argon-40/Argon-39 Age Determinations

This dating on Moon rocks was done in 1998 by scientists from the University of Manchester in England. “The Luna 24 mission returned 160 cm of core (0.17 kg) from the south eastern rim of Mare Crisium in August 1976.” 8 Nineteen samples from this Russian space probe were dates by Argon dating as being older than the evolutionist age of the Moon. 9 The presence of trapped Ar components is evident from the anomalously high apparent ages determined from the measured 40Ar/39Ar values for the initial 30-40% of K release.10 “Interpretation of the apparent ages is problematic because neither the clast composition nor the proportions of clast and matrix in the analysed splits could be determined.” 11 The current consensus among evolutionists is that the true age of the Moon is 4.5 billion years old. 12

 


 

Table 2

Sample Number

Age, Million Years

lc_1

5,700

3_1

4,810

5_1

5,760

5_2

5,320

5_3

5,060

7a_1

6,930

7a_2

6,240

7a_3

5,760

7a_4

5,180

7a_7

4,810

7a_8

5,250

7a_9

4,880

7a_14

5,180

7b_1

5,400

7b_2

5,110

7c_1

6,080

7c_2

5,330

7c_4

4,990

7c_5

4,770

 

 

Meteorite: Northwest Africa 482

Northwest Africa 482 (NWA 482) is the second largest lunar meteorite and the fifth found in the Sahara. The complete stone had a mass of 1.015 kg before cutting.13 In 2002 it was dated by scientists from the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona. The results of the dating 14 are summarised below in table 3.

 

 

Table 3

Bulk Sample

Age, Million Years

9,670

8,560

8,127

6,256

Glass Sample

Age, Million Years

9,905

7,388

5,708

 

The author of the article explains why he thinks that the ages are so absurd: “We believe that this 40Ar is probably dominated by terrestrial contamination.” 15

 

 

 

Rhenium–Osmium Isotopic Composition in Diamonds

These rock samples from the King Leopold ranges in Western Australia were dated in 2010 by scientists from the Department of Geological Sciences, University of Cape Town, South Africa and the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism, Carnegie Institution of Washington. 16 The difference between the oldest and youngest dates 17 as shown in table 4 is 16,254 million years. The author of the article explains why he thinks that the ages are so absurd: “The chalcopyrite inclusion from EL57 gives a model age older than the age of the Earth, evidence, perhaps, that this sulphide has suffered Re loss.” 18

 

Table 4

Sample Name

Age, Million Years

EL10

1,658

EL26

430

EL57

7,457

EL61

847

EL23

1,264

EL50

1,171

EL54_1

-8,281

EL54_3

-362

EL55_1

7,973

EL55_2

-104

EL65

-5,773

 

 

K-Ar Dating of Diamonds

This dating was done in 1983 by scientists from the Geophysical Institute, University of Tokyo, Tokyo. 19 Eight dates are older than the evolutionist age of the Earth. 20 The author blames Argon contamination for the bizarre dates that were obtained: “Because of the extremely small amount of argon, the hot blank corrections were similar to or even larger than the argon in the diamonds, resulting in a large uncertainty in the experimental results.” 20 The author admits that the dates are absolutely meaningless: “The apparent K-Ar ages range from 150 million to nine billion years, indicating that the non radiogenic 40Ar is significant. Since we have no way to make a correction for the non-radiogenic 40Ar, the apparent K-Ar age does not offer useful information on the age of the diamonds.” 21 Whichever date the author accepts is simply an arbitrary choice. Any date is just as good as any other date.

 

Table 5

Sample Number

Million Years

Premier Mine

 

82701N

5,800

827021

5,200

82703A

8,200

8270413

3,300

Unidentified Origin

821104N

4,800

821105H

5,700

821106N

4,400

821107N

5,000

8211083

4,500

8211091

9,100

82111ON

6,600

821111N

150

 

 

 

Isotopic And Petrographic Evidence

This dating was done in 2008 by scientists from the Department of Earth & Atmospheric Sciences, University of Alberta, Canada and from the Department of Earth Sciences, The Open University, England. 22 Two meteorites (Allan Hills and Northwest Africa) were dated and fourteen dates are older than the evolutionist age of the Earth. 23 The article admits that the dates are meaningless: “The most striking observation is that all of NWA 1950 shock melt data, and more than half of the ages derived from ALH 77005 shock melts, are impossibly ancient, older than the Solar System itself (4.567 Ga; Fig. 6). Moreover, ancient ages (>4.567 Ga) from shock melts are known in meteorites, in  articular the Peace River L6 chondrite, studied by Ar–Ar stepped heating and localized outgassing by a laser probe (McConville et al., 1988).24  The article concludes with the following remarks: Our Ar–Ar results for shock melts—ages in >4.567 Ga and 40Ar/36Ar ratios that overlap with previous measurements of the Martian atmosphere—indicate that  shock melt ‘ages’ are meaningless in terms of any real event.25

 

Table 6

Sample

Age

Number

Million Years

1

8,064

2

7,192

3

7,064

4

6,872

5

6,679

6

6,423

7

6,205

8

6,179

9

6,103

10

5,346

11

5,103

12

5,103

13

5,026

14

4,654

 

 

Rhenium–Osmium Systematics Of Diamond-Bearing Eclogites

Scientists from the Department of Geological Sciences, University of Cape Town, South Africa and the Department of Terrestrial Magnetism, Carnegie Institution of Washington, preformed this dating in 2003. 26 There is a 31,600 million years between the oldest and youngest dates. 27 Thus, the Re–Os model ages, when calculated relative to a mantle undergoing chondritic Os isotopic evolution, are considerably older, varying from 3.1 to 18.5Ga (seeTable 3 for calculation parameters). Model ages older than the age of the Earth are a clear indication that at least some of the samples have not experienced the simple single-stage Re–Os evolution required by the model age calculation. The unrealistically old Re–Os model ages reflect Re/Os ratios too low to account for the high measured 187Os/188Os.28 The author concluded the article with the following remarks: “The scatter in Re–Os systematics reflects a complex history for these eclogites that makes it impossible to define a precise age.29

 

 

 

 

 

Table 7

Sample Name

Age, Billion Years

AHM-C5

-13.1

AHM-K1/1

5.86

AHM-K4/2

4.24

AHM-K5/2

4.47

AHM-K6/1

5.12

AHM-K6/2

5.14

AHM-K13

18.5

AHM-K14

4.09

AHM-K15

13.8

 

 

 

A Study Of Northern Canadian Cordillera Xenoliths

These samples were dated in the year 2000 by Geologists from the University Of Montreal, Canada and from the Earth and Planetary Sciences Department, McGill University, Canada. 30 The samples were taken from mountain ranges near the Canadian/Alaskan border. 31 The data 32 in table 8 contrasts model age versus minimum age. “The decoupling of 187Re/188Os and 187Os/188Os observed in the Canadian Cordillera xenolith data also affects the calculation of Os model ages, and leads to “future” ages or ages older than the Earth (Table 1).” 33 Because the data is so bad the author admits: “Because of the apparent perturbation of the Re/Os ratios, age information cannot be obtained from an isochron diagram.” 33 How can a rock that exists in the present have formed million of years in the future? Such a proposition is illogical.

 

Table 8

Sample

Model Age

Minimum Age

Name

Billion Years

Billion Years

AL-42

Less Than Zero

0.46

AL-46

Less Than Zero

AL-75

Less Than Zero

0.43

AL-76

Less Than Zero

0.10

AL-86

Less Than Zero

0.52

AL-88

0.32

Less Than Zero

AL-41

Less Than Zero

0.48

AL-52

Less Than Zero

0.22

XLG-29A

Less Than Zero

0.92

XLG-12A

Less Than Zero

Less Than Zero

XLG-25A

0.54

Less Than Zero

KLX-47

Less Than Zero

0.33

BTX-26

Less Than Zero

Less Than Zero

 


 

Ar-Ar Chronology Of The Martian Meteorite

The Department of Earth Sciences, University of Manchester, dated these meteorite samples in 1997. 34 The samples are believed to be material ejected from the surface of Mars billion so years ago. 34 If we look at the data in table 9we see that there is a 24,648 million difference between the oldest and youngest date. 35 If we look at the dates and error margins in Table 2 in the original article we see that the maximum age is 6,047 million years and the minimum is 257 million years. 36

 

Table 9

Sample

Minimum Age

Maximum Age

Number

Million Years

Million Years

ALH84001,110

1,300

4,626

5,236

1,450

4,345

5,013

ALH84001,111

1,200

5,138

7,980

1,300

3,904

5,694

1,450

4,151

6,373

ALH84001,127

400

2,660

5,062

450

4,106

5,018

500

4,012

4,550

550

4,442

4,614

700

4,036

4,942

800

4,179

4,847

1,200

-3,171

21,477

1,400

4,920

7,354

 

 

 

The Slave Craton, Canada

These samples from Canada were dated in 2010 by scientists from the Earth & Atmospheric Sciences, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada. 37 Some of the specimens were dated to be over 5.5 billion years old. 38 The author tells how the isochron gave absurd ages:“In contrast, the most radiogenic sulphides in sample 1636 plot about an impossible 5 Ga model isochron.” 39 The admission is that the dates are impossible and meaningless: “The Re–Os isotope systematics of sulphides in sample 1636 are disturbed (Fig. 6e), with three of four samples falling on an impossible 5 Ga model isochron.40

 

 

 


 

U-Th-Pb Systematics In Lunar Highland Samples

California Institute of Technology, (Pasadena, California) dated these Lunar rocks in 1972. 41 Eighty one dates are older than the evolutionist age of the Solar System. Sixty three are over five billion years old. Seven are over six billion years old. 42

 

Table 10

Space Probe/Sample

207Pb

206Pb

207Pb

208Pb

Luna 20

206Pb

238U

235U

232Th

22001, 1 A-2

4.94

5.83

5.19

5.87

5.00

5.20

5.06

5.01

4.92

6.09

5.24

6.24

22001, 1A-2

4.96

5.78

5.19

6.08

5.01

5.25

5.08

5.30

4.95

5.83

5.20

6.14

67481, 26

4.92

5.49

5.08

5.80

4.94

5.29

5.04

5.52

4.92

5.51

5.09

5.84

64421, 29

4.91

5.41

5.05

5.47

4.94

5.00

4.96

4.91

4.90

5.43

5.06

5.50

60501, 31

4.98

5.35

5.08

5.26

4.99

5.23

5.06

5.10

4.97

5.36

5.09

5.28

68501, 52

5.05

5.61

5.21

5.55

5.06

5.48

5.18

5.37

5.05

5.62

5.21

5.56

60025, 65

4.64

6.64

5.18

5.64

4.75

3.75

4.42

2.51

4.62

7.83

5.45

7.21

 

If we run the Lead 207/206 ratios 43 through Isoplot we get the following ages as listed in Table 11:

 

Table 11

Lead 207/206

Million

Ratio

Years

0.8166

4,951

0.8196

4,956

0.8189

4,955

0.8190

4,955

0.7804

4,886

0.7800

4,886

0.7883

4,901

0.7886

4,901

0.8006

4,923

0.8008

4,923

0.8417

4,994

0.8417

4,994

0.7989

4,920

0.8015

4,924

 

The author comments on the major problems with dating these samples: “The data for all highland soils analyzed here are shown in fig. 4. All five data points lie far above the concordia curve and give ages for a single stage model which are in excess of 4.6 AE (see table 5). The 206Pb-238U ages range up to 5.83 AE. The 207Pb-206Pb ages are also very high.” 44 His calculations confirm the wrong ages radiometric dating gives: “Inspection of rows D and E in table 5 shows the extreme limits of the207Pb-206Pb ages. All highland soils analyzed have 207Pb-206Pb model ages in excess of 4.90 AE. These are the highest values observed so far for samples of 'total lunar soil'.” 45

 

 

 

 

A 40Ar/39Ar Geochronological Study

Rock samples from the Lower Onverwacht Volcanics in Barberton Mountain Land, South Africa were dated in 1992 by geologists from the Department of Physics, University of Toronto, and the Department of Geological Sciences, Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada. 46 The youngest date was 4.5 x 10-16 years. 47 How can a rock that exists in the present have formed 4,500 trillion years in the future? Such a proposition is illogical.

 

 

Table 12

Sample Number

Age, Million Years

B40-A, Third Run

-45,000,000,000

-310,000

B40-E

-56,112

386

2,663

2,667

2,672

2,943

3,321

3,313

3,299

KT-17B, FIRST RUN

6,555

6,296

4,969

5,117

6,164

5,228

KT-17B, SECOND RUN

6,848

6,479

5,731

KT-17B, Plagioclase Concentrate

6,204

6,904

6,560

6,544

5,105

B56-A, First Run

7,810

4,864

4,890

B56-A, Second Run

5,597

 

 

 

The Archaean Barberton Greenstone Belt

In 1998 diamond samples were dated by scientist from the Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany, the Max-Planck Institute Chemistry, and the Centre Geochemistry, Strasbourg, France. 48 According to the author the true ages is 2.7 billion years: “All three isotopic systems of whole rocks indicate ages of ~2.7 Ga, much younger than the depositional age of the successions.49 “By treating the primary isochron slope of the Pb-isotopic data of sample OG 1 as a secondary isochron, an additional recalculation of the 208Pb/204Pb isotopic values indicates that the 232Th/238U (k) isotopic ratio of sample OG 1 has had a value of 4.78 from~2.7 Ga, which is slightly higher than the typical k value of ~4 (Taylor and McLennan, 1985).” 50 When we run the 207Pb/206Pb ratios listed 51 in the essay through Isoplot we get dates almost 2 billion years older. A radically different answer!

 

Table 13

Sample

207Pb/206Pb

Sample

207Pb/206Pb

Number

Million Years

Number

Million Years

OG-1-a

4,557

OG-1-x

4,557

OG-1-b

4,544

OG-1-y

4,544

OG-1-c

4,554

OG-1-z

4,554

OG-1-d

4,476

OG-1-aa

4,476

OG-1-e

4,596

OG-1-1a

4,596

OG-1-f

4,560

OG-1-1b

4,560

OG-1-g

4,566

OG-1-2a

4,566

OG-1-h

4,499

OG-1-2b

4,499

OG-1-i

4,495

OG-1-3a

4,495

OG-1-j

4,507

OG-1-3b

4,507

OG-1-k

4,514

OG-1-7a

4,514

OG-1-l

4,518

OG-1-7b

4,518

OG-1-m

4,454

OG-1-8a

4,454

OG-1-n

4,570

OG-1-8b

4,570

OG-1-o

4,477

OG-1-9a

4,477

OG-1-p

4,517

OG-1-9b

4,517

OG-1-q

4,534

OG-1-12a

4,534

OG-1-r

4,563

OG-1-12b

4,563

OG-1-s

4,510

OG-1-13a

4,510

OG-1-t

4,535

OG-1-13b

4,535

OG-1-u

4,458

OG-1-14a

4,458

OG-1-v

4,587

OG-1-14b

4,587

OG

4,488

 

 

 

Zircon Uranium/Lead Ages Of Guyana Greenstone

These mineral samples were dated in 1982 by scientists from the Department of Geological Sciences, Cornell University, New York and the Department of Earth Sciences, University of New Hampshire. 52 According to the article the true age of the specimen is 2250 Million years old. 53 If we run the isotopic ratios 54 through Isoplot we find that there is a 43,364 million difference between the oldest and youngest date.

 

 

Table 14

Sample

207Pb/206Pb

206Pb/238U

207Pb/235U

Number

Million Years

Million Years

Million Years

1a

2,226

2,218

44,242

1b

2,217

2,021

42,199

1d

2,210

1,806

39,839

1e

2,177

1,838

39,861

3a

2,249

1,835

40,561

3b

2,236

878

27,142

4a

2,206

1,617

37,640

4c

2,155

1,327

33,447

4d

2,183

1,339

33,871

5a

2,242

1,776

39,833

 

 

 

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1              Comparison of African and Canadian Diamonds,

Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta, 2000, Volume 64, Number 4, Pages 717–732

 

2              Reference 1, Page 725

 

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4              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

 

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19           K-Ar Dating of Diamonds

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22           Isotopic And Petrographic Evidence

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30           A Study Of Northern Canadian Cordillera Xenoliths

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34           Ar-Ar Chronology Of The Martian Meteorite

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37           The Slave Craton, Canada

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46           A 40Ar/39Ar Geochronological Study

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47           Reference 46, Page 109

 

48           Archaean Barberton Greenstone Belt

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50           Reference 48, Page 140

 

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52           Zircon U-Pb Ages Of Guyana Greenstone

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